The UK's EU Referendum ! ! !

Hey Norman did they have pens or pencils to mark the ballot paper ?

That sounds like at closing time they can tick a load of the "no shows" & use their vote ?

I'm seeing a lot of people report that only pencils are provided (it says don't bring a pen on the voting advice flyer thing apparently)

This woman had the police called on her !!!




So all these ballot papers are going to Manchester, not counted locally, another anomaly

ah, you posted while I was finishing my edit above.

This is getting very smelly, me thinks.

It was a tied down thick black pencil, not really like an ordinary pencil. A sort of cross between a pencil and a crayon. Thicker than a normal pencil too.

edit to add:

The pencil one of the couple in there used to ruler mark my line in the printed scroll list was a very normal skinny one with the usual shiny silverish 'lead' line.

I asked why were they using pencil for everything , including what they were doing . They didn't know , so I told them I would be using a black ink pen . They didn't object , but they did ask me why ? I told them all contracts are written in black wet ink and an X is your signature , because we couldn't write . They seemed very interested in my reply . So I turned up with six others and they did the same .

Good on you boys 


Norman, I'm ok, I was deflated, but shows me what we are up against.

It dose seem odd, in the past we have always used pens in polling stations.

Stoat I imagine you took your tribe with you ;)

I expect twirly's right it will be a fix up.

Ria wrote:Good on you boys 


Norman, I'm ok, I was deflated, but shows me what we are up against.

It dose seem odd, in the past we have always used pens in polling stations.

Stoat I imagine you took your tribe with you ;)

I expect twirly's right it will be a fix up.

Don't be down Ria , know you did the right thing . I've been battling for weeks and taken some hard knocks . But we can all hold our heads high , we did a good thing today , even if it is rigged . At least now tptwb now how much opposition they have against them . If I were them I would be very worried indeed , Rome fell in the end .

[size=31]EU whistleblower in £130m case is fired[/size]

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels
12:01AM BST 14 Oct 2004

The outgoing European Commission sacked its most tenacious whistleblower yesterday in a final settling of scores, prompting furious protests from Euro-MPs.
Marta Andreasen, the former chief accountant, was dismissed without pay following a 28-month inquiry after she spoke out against the European Union's "Enron-style" book-keeping.

Guided by Neil Kinnock, the reform commissioner, Brussels imposed its harshest sanction, even though internal EU documents have largely validated her claims.
A commission statement yesterday listed a series of staff violations mostly entailing breach of loyalty and lack of "discretion", but the commission refused to specify the exact offences.


Mrs Andreasen, a Spanish citizen educated at British schools in Argentina, was tried in a secret tribunal headed by a senior commission official. She protested that she had been tried and convicted by her enemies and said she would appeal.
"I encountered evidence of structural fraud embedded in the European Commission systems," she said. "High officials knew this was the case, and still is the case. I am the one who has behaved as a real European - and I have paid for it with my job."
Brussels rarely fires staff, though several whistleblowers have been sacked in recent years. Officials linked to the disappearance of £3 million in "slush funds" are still on full salary more than two years later, though their conduct was described by fraud investigators as a "vast enterprise of looting".
Jens-Peter Bonde, a Danish Euro-MP and leader of the reformist bloc in Brussels, said there were now plans to find Mrs Andreasen an anti-fraud job in the European Parliament. "It's outrageous," he said. "We need a petition drive to have the whole commission sacked."
The decision may be Mr Kinnock's last act before stepping down as the commissioner in charge of fighting fraud.
Mrs Andreasen was suspended from her £85,000 job in May 2002 for breaking "hierarchy lines". She contacted the Court of Auditors and Euro-MPs after superiors ignored her warnings, later telling the press that the EU's £63 billion budget was "an open till waiting to be robbed".
A leaked memo to Mr Kinnock from the EU's senior auditor said her claims were "factually and substantively correct" and her suspension "would be a serious blow to reform, sending a signal that the old ways of keeping things from happening still work".
The heart of Mrs Andreasen's complaint is that the commission lacks "double-entry" book-keeping, now routine in the private sector, allegedly making it possible to divert large sums of money without leaving an electronic fingerprint. She found a £130 million discrepancy between two sets of books for 2001. This has never been fully explained.
Chris Heaton-Harris, a Tory Euro-MP and leading anti-fraud fighter said: "This is a vindictive move from a failed commission. All Marta Andreasen did was do her job properly.
"She informed Neil Kinnock and his colleagues of her concerns, yet Neil Kinnock's response was to suspend her and now sack her."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/1474121/EU-whistleblower-in-130m-case-is-fired.html

Result 52 / 48 . Well its doesn't mean much at this stage , there will be years of adjustment , but its a start . For the better i hope , or for the fall of the euro or the the big plan for people to move there trust towards other markets like u.s ,yen ect

Who wins is the question.

Nothing happens until there is a new PM & Cabinet, so nothing is likely to happen this year anyway.


The vote is a surprise, but it still looks "massaged" maybe they will launch a major remain psy-op & hold another vote like in Eire ?

IT is also clear that the vote in England & Wales was based on the immigrant problem & Scotland continue to vote anything anti English regardless, and in NI it was a sectarian issue as usual

Well, thanks for the news, I've been fast asleep avoiding it all.

So we voted to get out, and we won!

Now the real fight starts, I guess.